Grand Canyon Vacation Planning: Your Favorite Mistake

Good morning travelers! No, I’m not about to start singing Sheryl Crow songs :) Today’s post is about the two most common mistakes made in the Grand Canyon Vacation planning process, which happen to be illustrated by not one but two trending threads on TripAdvisor.

Mistake #1: trying to cram too many destinations into a limited amount of time.  In a query titled “Vegas-Grand Canyon National Park -Bryce-Zion-Vegas in 3 nights,”  ’brooklyndan1′ writes:

Traveling w/3 active teenage daughters. I have 3 nights from a Tuesday to Friday to leave Las Vegas. Can I do all 3 NP’s not rushed. Maybe 2 nights at GCNP and one at Bryce or Zion. I just would like a good taste of all 3. Don’t need a full meal at each ;0)  I can leave on Tuesdasy morning, I need to be back in Vegas by Friday late afternoon (by 5-6 pm). I assume I should do the South Rim with all the amenities, although the north rim seems like an easier trip to hit all 3.

This is a common pitfall in Grand Canyon vacation planning, and I don’t blame ‘brooklyndan1′ one bit! He sounds like a busy dad, his time is at a premium, and there’s so dang much to see out here, it’s tempting to try and work it all in somehow, someway. Indeed, ‘awinatl’ offers up this suggested itinerary:

It can be done but is quite a bit of driving. I would do something like this:

Tue- Zion and possibly leave for Bryce in the late afternoon (a lot of driving that day though)

Wed- Bryce and head to Page, AZ in the late afternoon

Thur- checkout Page area and head to GC early/mid afternoon–make it to GC by sunset

Fri- GC until an early lunch and then back to LV

Bryce is a little out of the way for what you want to do but is a very cool place to see.

If all that’s making your head spin, here’s what it looks like on a map:


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Tucson Destination Expert ‘Bob B’ attempts to bring a little sanity to the situation:

I would make a choice: Zion and Bryce, or I would suggest an alternative of Grand Canyon National Park with some of the attractions near it. But all 3 in 3 days, no. You could wave to them as you drove past on the way to the next. These are very large natural areas over very long distances.

Here’s what I brought to this Grand Canyon vacation planning discussion:

GCNP-Bryce-Zion in 3 nights? Not my idea of fun, especially with 3 active teenage girls (I used to be one back in the dark ages). You’re going to be sitting in the car most of your vacation. IMO they – and you – would enjoy Lake Powell (Page). It’s just 2.5 hours from Grand Canyon South Rim and has a lot to offer, not just beautiful scenery (think Grand Canyon with water in it), but fun activities such as the Colorado River Float Trip, 4×4 tours to Antelope Slot Canyon, boating on Lake Powell itself, either by rental or tour boat. If you go with a rental boat, maybe add a tube or wakeboard to your package. I think that would be fun for the girls!

We’ll see what ‘brooklyndan1′ decides. We’ve always said that you can do whatever you put your mind to when it comes to your Grand Canyon vacation, but we also maintain that “quality” trumps “quantity” when it comes to using your Grand Canyon vacation time wisely.

Mistake #2: Another trap Grand Canyon vacation planners tend to fall into is overthinking their trip plan. Our old buddy ‘daruwala’ is doing this very thing right now:

Ok, we have about 6 hrs at the Grand Canyon. Driving from Las Vegas. Should reach Grand Canyon National Park around 10am. Once we enter the park thru South Rim, where to then? Drive west on Village Loop Dr to Rim Dr to Hermits Rest? Drive east on Entrance Rd? Park the car and use park shuttles? Is it a good idea to drive inside the park or use shuttles? I understand there is a visitors center at the entrance, but then what? We have about 6 hours, want to cover as much as possible and take some nice pics with kids (6 & 8).

Just reading this makes me want to tell ‘daruwala’ “whooooooooaaaaaa, buddy, chill!” It’s great that he is planning his Grand Canyon vacation in this much detail, even just a day visit. But there’s no one “best” way to enjoy the Grand Canyon once you arrive there.

When you arrive at the park, you’ll be given a map of Grand Canyon South Rim, which points out the roads you can drive (East Rim/Desert View) and those you can’t (West Rim/Hermit’s Rest). You’ll also receive a copy of “The Guide,” the Grand Canyon National Park Service’s quarterly newspaper that gives suggestions for how best to use the time you have, whether it’s a couple of hours or a couple of days.

‘daruwala’s’ best bet? Get to the park, pay your fee, go to the Canyon View Information Plaza, get your bearings and go from there. Walk across the street to Mather Point and take in that first breath-taking view of the Grand Canyon. Once that happens, you might find that you “let the day take you” as Meryl Streep said in “The Bridges of Madison County.” I wouldn’t be surprised if ‘daruwala’ threw his well-drawn-up plans entirely out the window.  That’s OK. Your Grand Canyon vacation is about discovery, on your own terms. Think about it too much, and after awhile it feels like work. Isn’t that the one thing you want to be able to forget about on your Grand Canyon vacation?

That’s all for now! Talk to you soon, and make your day a “grand” one!

Grand Canyon Tours from Tucson AZ

Grand Canyon tours from Tucson AZ. Frankie Valli described it best: “so close and yet so far!”

I was presented with this particular challenge by a caller the other day. She was staying in Tucson, had one free day and wanted to tour Grand Canyon. But here was the problem: she wouldn’t have access to the family car. If memory serves, her hubby needed it so he could go check out University of Arizona with one of the kids. So the question was, could she still accomplish her goal of touring the Grand Canyon even though she was staying in Tucson?

Turns out that very question was making the rounds on TripAdvisor a couple of weeks back. A young lady who had come all the way from Bangladesh to check out U of A was in a similar situation. She posed the question to the TripAdvisor panel, and we basically all told her she couldn’t, or more appropriately, shouldn’t attempt it, the main reason being that the driving distance from Tucson Arizona to Grand Canyon National Park is about 6 hours, one way. So if a day is all you have to work with, that’s going to mean a LONG day behind the wheel. That’s why there are virtually no Grand Canyon tours whatsoever that depart out of Tucson Arizona. Tours from Phoenix or Scottsdale to the Grand Canyon are readily available, but that still leaves the question of how do you get there from Tucson if you don’t have a car? Which leads to yet another problem (a constant challenge for first-time visitors to the Southwest US): mass transit, or lack thereof.  Busses, trains, etc. are almost non-existent out here. What is available can be hard to use due to awkward arrival/departures times, layovers that are too short or too long, etc.

After a whole lot of nay-saying, prodding and cajoling, this very determined young lady found a way to make her goal of a Grand Canyon tour from Tucson happen! Here’s how she did it:

The plan I did was really a hectic one. But due to time constraint we had no other choice. The plan was as follows:

1. To take Arizona Shuttle Service up to Phoenix (www.arizonashuttle.com) early in the morning 1:30 am or 2:30am which arrives at phoenix airport at around 4:45 or 6:15am respectively.

2.Took public bus to drop off at any of the hotel where you will be picked for the Grand Canyon tour.

3. Then to take the tour bus that departs 7:00 am using Platinum Grand Canyon & Sedona Tour from Phoenix which takes 13 hrs.  So it arrives at around 9 pm to Phoenix.

4. Using the same Arizona Shuttle Service back to University of Arizona at around 1:30 am.

The things to remember are:  you need to book everything in advance. The last and first service that departs Tucson Arizona for Phoenix are 8 pm and 1:30 am respectively, and the last service that leaves Phoenix for Tuscon is 11 pm.

You need to have a credit card to book Grand Canyon Tours which requires a print out in paper format what we found was the most difficult for a conference visitor like myself. I hope this whole plan might help if any young fit student visitor do have a dream of visiting Grand Canyon from Tucson Arizona in a day.

So with a little determination – and probably a lot of coffee – touring Grand Canyon from Tucson can be done. Those with a little – OK a lot – more money to spend might consider an air charter. Tucson Aeroservice Center, based at the Marana Airport just on the outskirts of town, can fly you up to Grand Canyon, let you hang out for the day, then fly you back in an 8-seater turbo-prop aircraft.

For those who wish to stay on solid ground, here is the 411 on the services used by our very determined and energetic friend from Bangladesh to make her Grand Canyon tour happen:

  • From Tucson AZ to Phoenix AZ:  Arizona Shuttle Service www.arizonashuttle.com or call 800-888-2749  Phoenix drop off at Sky Harbor Airport
  • From Phoenix Sky Harbor to pickup location for Phoenix Grand Canyon Tour: public transit such as Valley Metro, taxi or Super Shuttle.
  • Phoenix Grand Canyon Tour: GrandCanyon.com recommends Detours’ Platinum Sedona Grand Canyon Tour, which can also be upgraded with a 30-minute helicopter ride over the Grand Canyon! Duration: about 13 hours. Cost for advance booking (basic package) $155 person, includes lunch.
  • From Phoenix AZ back to Tucson: Arizona Shuttle Service

So there you have it! Tiring? Yes? Expensive? Slightly. Unforgettable? You bet! But that’s the Grand Canyon for ya :)

 

The Grand Canyon Train: the “right track” for your Grand Canyon vacation?

Good morning travelers. Well, it’s been almost 25 years since the Grand Canyon Train (formally known as the Grand Canyon Railway) rebounded from a 20-year dormancy. I was there to witness its rebirth, but that’s a story for another time. Today, in this age of hybrid cars and phones that fire up with a click instead of a crank, a mystique still surrounds the Grand Canyon’s old iron horse. Every year, passengers of all ages line up by the thousands to experience this fascinating piece of Grand Canyon history. Of those thousands, unfortunately a small percentage of them come back a bit disappointed. For us here at GrandCanyon.com, even a small percentage is too big a percentage.

So why would this happen? It all comes down to one word: “misinformation.” A lot of it still pervades the public image of Grand Canyon Train Tours. We’re talking about it on TripAdvisor.com right now.

TripAdvisor.com: Flagstaff to Williams Hotel 

Original Poster “Carol P” states:

“I am told the Grand Canyon Train also has activities on the train along with a guide explaining what to look for and see. And if we upgrade we can get a glass dome enclosure where we can see all the way around for pictures. It also stops at the rim of the Grand Canyon where I believe I would head for anyway.”

To which Destination Expert “RedRox” replies:

“You are being subjected to aggressive marketing by the Grand Canyon Train. The views you’ll have from the train will be the same boring high desert views that you’ll get from the car, except the train will take 3 hours whereas your car will only take an hour. That’s time that you could better spend at Grand Canyon National Park on the rim, exeriencing the canyon.”

It’s readily apparent to the TripAdvisor panel that Carol P is under the impression that she’ll see the Grand Canyon from the train. The truth: that is NOT the case. The Grand Canyon Railway departs daily from Williams, Arizona, which is 60 miles due South of Grand Canyon Village.


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Therefore you do not see the Grand Canyon while riding the Grand Canyon Train. You will not see the Grand Canyon at all, until you get to the park and get off the train. You then have the option of exploring the Grand Canyon Village Historic District and Rim Trail on your own, or taking part in a 90-minute guided motorcoach tour.

Another potential disadvantage to using the Grand Canyon Train to get to the South Rim is time: the Grand Canyon Railway is pulled by an antique diesel engine, so it takes 2 hours and 15 minutes to make a journey that would take you just 1 hour by car. Once at the park, you only have 3 hours or so to explore the Grand Canyon before you have to re-board the train for the trip back to Williams. So it gives you enough time to get a small sampling of the views that await you at the Grand Canyon, but you only touch the “tip of the iceberg.” There are even more beautiful Grand Canyon views on the East Rim drive, but the layover provided by the Grand Canyon Train doesn’t give you enough time to get there. And forget about trying to squeeze in another activity such as a Grand Canyon helicopter flight or airplane tour. The logistics of getting out to the airport and back will not only eat up your time on the rim, it may even risk delaying your arrival back in the park for the departure of the train. If you’re late, it will cost you a very expensive taxi ride. Don’t try it!

Whether or not to make the Grand Canyon Train a part of your Grand Canyon vacation is a question that has been asked and answered many times here at GrandCanyon.com. So, we made a video about it! Watch it for more detailed answers to the “train vs. drive” debate.

We are planning to visit Grand Canyon on May last weekend

April 27, 2012 – while a Visitor was on http://grandcanyon.com/grand-canyon-skywalk.html

Visitor – We are planning to visit Grand Canyon on May last weekend
Rita – Okay, do you have a hotel yet?
Visitor – But my wife is 3 months pregnant at that time.
Visitor – So do you think should that would be a barrier for activites over there?
Rita – There are activities such as smoothwater rafting, rim jeep tours and such that should not be a problem for her.
Visitor – Also, how many days just to cover the best attractions
Rita – The smoothwater rafting tour is an all day tour.
Visitor – So the sky walk should be possible for her?

Rita – OK, sorry. I was giving you options for Grand Canyon South Rim.
Rita – The Skywalk is located at the Grand Canyon West Rim.
Visitor – I know it is West
Visitor – I wanted to visit South and West
Rita – There are bus tours from Las Vegas to the West Rim that can include the Skywalk
Rita – Let me get some information for you: http://grandcanyon.com/las-vegas-tours.html
Visitor – So, can’t we do South and West together?
Rita – There are also airplane tours to the West Rim that should not be a problem for her as long as her doctor agrees.
Visitor – Also, can I rent a car?
Rita – The West Rim is 3 hours from Las Vegas
Rita – The South Rim is 5 hours from Las Vegas
Visitor – different directions?
Rita – Yes, you can rent a car and drive yourself. Just be sure to get a hotel at the South Rim before you go: http://grandcanyon.com/hotels.html
Rita – Both rims are East of Las Vegas, so you could do the West Rim and then travel on to the South Rim, but I would advise spending the night in Kingman, AZ or somewhere nearby.
Rita – There is not much lodging between the West Rim and Williams, AZ
Visitor – Okay, thank you!